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A Church from Scratch video provocation. Get your free copy of Quicktime HERE. Comments (23)
  written by paul thaxter, 05 July, 2011
great discussion starter and fresh ...some people see rules as walls...what do you build with living stones?
written by Church from Scratch, 06 July, 2011
There's now a download link above, so you can get a copy to keep
written by bt4jc, 07 July, 2011
Excellent! This is biblical church planting. Jesus commands us to GO (and make disciples) not require them to COME to us, no?
written by Michele Simms, 09 July, 2011
I've used the "Missional Church - Simple" one from the U.S. loads of times which is great but find the American accent an obstacle for some but this says the same important stuff but Britified so - thanks very much! Just what I wanted. Will road test on a church tomorrow!
 written by Peter Dominey, 10 July, 2011
Andi, It's "opensource" meaning you can use it, change it, redistribute it, as long as you don't remove the credit to Church from Scratch
written by Carlo, 10 July, 2011
Spot on! Thanks for this. I always think felt tip pens demonstrate stuff in a unique way.
written by Anna Maclean, 12 July, 2011
I've been feeling an unease for the last few months about my 'doing of church' - whether what I'm involved in in our community is really what Jesus wants me to be doing. Yes, I believe what I've been doing has had some use - the church does need to be more accessible and more relevant to those who feel disassociated with it - but is it really what Jesus wants from me. Do I need to be the person trying to drag people onto 'my' side of the wall, or do I need to be going out and loving people without any walls between us? Your 'cartoon' has given me huge inspiration and clarity. THANK YOU.
written by Scott H, 14 July, 2011
Hi Peter - great video and love the message but interested to know what you mean by the title? When I read "Stop starting with church" I thought it was going to be one of those impassioned defences of the traditional church model along the lines of "why I love the church" and "why we are not emergent" etc etc... sooo glad that it wasn't! :)
written by Peter Dominey, 14 July, 2011
"It's time to stop starting with church". Why that title?
Is mission what churches do? Yes, and so you can start with church in your thinking. But try understanding mission as what Jesus does and us as the ones invited to join in with his mission, then out of mission comes church rather than out of church comes mission. Different starting point, different thinking and that can change heaps of other thinking if we'll let it. Question: So the one in the video who traveled out, a long way out, and the result was a kind of church. What do they do now? written by Scott H, 18 July, 2011
Ah I get it now, that makes sense. As in: we're not called to make churches but to do mission (and church may come out of that but only as a means to an end, not the end itself). Thanks for taking the time to answer my question! As to the question you asked in return, I think my answer would be as follows: they should find a model for community that responds to the specific situation in which they find themselves and, when it eventually gets too big and institutional (where the community becomes the end in itself and not the means), they should choose a few people from among them and send them out to respond to some new and different situations. How does that sound? (Easier said than done perhaps?!) :)
written by Richard F, 23 July, 2011
A great video. A lot of Church's need to take note of this, especially in the rural areas.
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